1 00:00:00,790 --> 00:00:07,320 [Music] 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:09,310 [Applause] 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:11,610 Thank You Julian since I was first one 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:13,530 I'll just go ahead and say that I'm a 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:15,210 little bit sheepish to be listed as a 6 00:00:18,769 --> 00:00:17,130 co-organizer for this and actually be 7 00:00:21,260 --> 00:00:18,779 the first pro I did not put myself as 8 00:00:22,670 --> 00:00:21,270 first here so please remember that the 9 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:22,680 other people who get the credit here are 10 00:00:26,690 --> 00:00:24,450 Julie in particular Eric Parker and 11 00:00:27,890 --> 00:00:26,700 Jamie also cook Hosea Ponte and a few 12 00:00:30,140 --> 00:00:27,900 others they're listed somewhere in the 13 00:00:32,810 --> 00:00:30,150 program and I'm afraid that I was not 14 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:32,820 very valuable to the team about 15 00:00:37,819 --> 00:00:35,130 contributing but they let me talk anyway 16 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:37,829 anyway I'd like to talk about something 17 00:00:43,490 --> 00:00:39,810 fairly simple actually aliphatic 18 00:00:45,229 --> 00:00:43,500 compounds it's a group of compounds that 19 00:00:47,299 --> 00:00:45,239 are generally speaking not nearly as 20 00:00:48,529 --> 00:00:47,309 well studied as some of the aromatics 21 00:00:50,569 --> 00:00:48,539 that you heard about yesterday and a 22 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:50,579 number of the aromatic speakers or their 23 00:00:55,130 --> 00:00:52,890 compounds are aromatic who are sitting 24 00:00:56,990 --> 00:00:55,140 here yesterday some of those people and 25 00:00:58,400 --> 00:00:57,000 so this is a different group so if 26 00:00:59,869 --> 00:00:58,410 you're if you're not familiar I'll show 27 00:01:01,849 --> 00:00:59,879 you a picture here in a few minutes so 28 00:01:04,009 --> 00:01:01,859 the other aliphatic the other cyclic 29 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:04,019 organic compounds in case you don't know 30 00:01:11,210 --> 00:01:08,370 me let me just say that we see if this 31 00:01:13,490 --> 00:01:11,220 works yes we have a laboratory the 32 00:01:14,780 --> 00:01:13,500 Goddard Space Flight Center this could 33 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:14,790 be pictures of any place this could be 34 00:01:18,140 --> 00:01:16,170 pictures University of Washington but 35 00:01:19,910 --> 00:01:18,150 trust me this is from near Washington DC 36 00:01:22,249 --> 00:01:19,920 this is actually our laboratory not just 37 00:01:24,260 --> 00:01:22,259 any generic pictures from Wikipedia and 38 00:01:25,969 --> 00:01:24,270 we do three things we do planetary 39 00:01:28,039 --> 00:01:25,979 science we do some interstellar 40 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:28,049 chemistry interstellar astrophysics and 41 00:01:32,020 --> 00:01:30,450 we do astrobiology so over the 15 years 42 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:32,030 or so we've been involved in Nai 43 00:01:36,620 --> 00:01:33,930 astrobiology has been a wonderful way to 44 00:01:38,330 --> 00:01:36,630 tie together those two to end members to 45 00:01:40,490 --> 00:01:38,340 extremes era planetary science and in 46 00:01:42,950 --> 00:01:40,500 interstellar chemistry so thank you very 47 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:42,960 much I give the the commercial right 48 00:01:47,270 --> 00:01:45,210 here for the DNA I and the Goddard 49 00:01:50,450 --> 00:01:47,280 Center for astrobiology the things we 50 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:50,460 study tend to be cold we think of 51 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:52,770 ourselves as going from Mars outward you 52 00:01:56,870 --> 00:01:54,450 know the temperature of Mars is a little 53 00:01:59,929 --> 00:01:56,880 bit high on our range of the thermometer 54 00:02:01,370 --> 00:01:59,939 and we go outward towards us I guess 55 00:02:03,230 --> 00:02:01,380 we've done a small amount of Mars was so 56 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:03,240 small amount of Jupiter and small about 57 00:02:06,770 --> 00:02:05,250 asteroids and going out really toward a 58 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:06,780 Europa inclu toe and the interstellar 59 00:02:10,609 --> 00:02:09,330 medium and commentary Isis so this is 60 00:02:12,050 --> 00:02:10,619 sort of range we're talking about so 61 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:12,060 almost everything whenever I give a talk 62 00:02:16,490 --> 00:02:14,490 it's it's focusing on the solid phase as 63 00:02:18,650 --> 00:02:16,500 opposed to the gas phase and I don't 64 00:02:20,030 --> 00:02:18,660 think in 30 years or whatever it's being 65 00:02:21,540 --> 00:02:20,040 I've ever talked about the liquid phase 66 00:02:23,370 --> 00:02:21,550 I'm not going to talk about 67 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:23,380 a comet striking the ocean or something 68 00:02:27,870 --> 00:02:25,690 like that so here we go if you've taken 69 00:02:29,550 --> 00:02:27,880 organic chemistry seen this before her 70 00:02:32,070 --> 00:02:29,560 just been around the block you've heard 71 00:02:33,810 --> 00:02:32,080 of aromatic and aliphatic compounds so 72 00:02:35,970 --> 00:02:33,820 aromatics are there on the left the the 73 00:02:38,940 --> 00:02:35,980 famous benzene ring it was isolated by a 74 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:38,950 Faraday and worked out by calculate some 75 00:02:42,750 --> 00:02:41,410 where in the 1800's and at the bottom 76 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:42,760 there one of the early Meyer man I 77 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:44,170 forgotten which Erlenmeyer it was well 78 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:45,490 one of the early Myers worked out the 79 00:02:50,070 --> 00:02:47,770 the naphthalene down the bottom left I 80 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:50,080 can point this down here you've heard of 81 00:02:53,670 --> 00:02:52,090 these and and these are interesting of 82 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:53,680 course but for astrobiology maybe these 83 00:02:57,690 --> 00:02:55,930 are even more exciting the the nuclear 84 00:02:59,820 --> 00:02:57,700 bases that you find inside of you right 85 00:03:01,980 --> 00:02:59,830 now nucleobases are aromatic flat 86 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:01,990 compounds have this so-called 87 00:03:05,490 --> 00:03:04,090 delocalization these are lines here in 88 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:05,500 case you forgotten these mean extra 89 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:07,930 electrons two extra electrons for every 90 00:03:11,850 --> 00:03:10,450 extra line there so these these are well 91 00:03:13,110 --> 00:03:11,860 steady there are lots of lots of work 92 00:03:14,700 --> 00:03:13,120 finding these things in meteorites 93 00:03:16,530 --> 00:03:14,710 looking for these things in interstellar 94 00:03:18,060 --> 00:03:16,540 space studying these things the 95 00:03:20,190 --> 00:03:18,070 laboratory studying these of course in 96 00:03:23,190 --> 00:03:20,200 vivo lots of work and so forth 97 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:23,200 in contrast these have been not nearly 98 00:03:26,910 --> 00:03:24,970 as well studied the ring compounds of 99 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:26,920 the right hand side there and part of 100 00:03:30,090 --> 00:03:28,450 the reason is that I'm a chemistry 101 00:03:31,500 --> 00:03:30,100 person and the chemists tend to have a 102 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:31,510 little bit of a bias against these 103 00:03:36,300 --> 00:03:33,730 things over here because of the way that 104 00:03:38,370 --> 00:03:36,310 they they're bonded together here the 105 00:03:40,890 --> 00:03:38,380 sort of natural bonding that you find 106 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:40,900 for carbon is bond angles like 109 107 00:03:45,390 --> 00:03:43,570 degrees or 110 or 120 and occasionally 108 00:03:47,430 --> 00:03:45,400 hundred eighty but once you start 109 00:03:49,110 --> 00:03:47,440 getting to bond angles like ninety 110 00:03:51,630 --> 00:03:49,120 degrees with the carbon the square and 111 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:51,640 the triangle of 6000 the molecule is 112 00:03:55,770 --> 00:03:53,530 just not happy and we know this because 113 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:55,780 of a man named Adolf von Behr who got 114 00:03:59,250 --> 00:03:57,610 the Nobel Prize for working this out 115 00:04:00,540 --> 00:03:59,260 over a hundred years ago who told us 116 00:04:02,460 --> 00:04:00,550 that these molecules are what he called 117 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:02,470 strained if you look at these the wrong 118 00:04:06,090 --> 00:04:03,970 way they began to react and to break 119 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:06,100 apart and to isomerize and things like 120 00:04:11,100 --> 00:04:08,890 that there none of these compounds like 121 00:04:13,110 --> 00:04:11,110 this as sort of saturated compounds have 122 00:04:14,610 --> 00:04:13,120 all the four bonds taking care of with 123 00:04:16,650 --> 00:04:14,620 four atoms none of these things are 124 00:04:18,479 --> 00:04:16,660 really known you know definitively 125 00:04:19,860 --> 00:04:18,489 floating around the interstellar medium 126 00:04:21,449 --> 00:04:19,870 they're still looking for these things 127 00:04:23,850 --> 00:04:21,459 and I'll come back to that before we're 128 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:23,860 done just because we have a little bit 129 00:04:28,620 --> 00:04:26,170 of a bias against these in our minds and 130 00:04:30,719 --> 00:04:28,630 as a canvas doesn't mean that that 131 00:04:32,310 --> 00:04:30,729 nature has a bias because you do find it 132 00:04:33,659 --> 00:04:32,320 that these things are out there in 133 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:33,669 nature and I never really knew this 134 00:04:36,110 --> 00:04:34,770 until about a year ago 135 00:04:38,270 --> 00:04:36,120 when we had a student working on this 136 00:04:40,010 --> 00:04:38,280 and she went to an old-fashioned library 137 00:04:44,149 --> 00:04:40,020 and found some old-fashioned books and 138 00:04:45,529 --> 00:04:44,159 actually books one of those things we 139 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:45,539 used to have before we had the internet 140 00:04:52,550 --> 00:04:49,490 and she found that there there are 141 00:04:54,950 --> 00:04:52,560 natural products that you have in nature 142 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:54,960 natural products in nature that that 143 00:04:58,189 --> 00:04:56,610 have these three membered rings and 144 00:05:00,170 --> 00:04:58,199 there's a triangle here and a triangle 145 00:05:02,390 --> 00:05:00,180 over here somewhere and amino acid 146 00:05:03,460 --> 00:05:02,400 steroids and so forth and I never knew 147 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:03,470 this I never knew that you had 148 00:05:07,430 --> 00:05:06,330 cyclopropyl rings just kind of floating 149 00:05:08,749 --> 00:05:07,440 around us I thought this is something 150 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:08,759 you bought from the signal altars 151 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:11,130 chemical company and so forth but it 152 00:05:14,390 --> 00:05:12,449 turns out there aren't natural products 153 00:05:17,420 --> 00:05:14,400 nature is not as biased against these as 154 00:05:19,399 --> 00:05:17,430 maybe we ourselves are sometimes and so 155 00:05:21,020 --> 00:05:19,409 we began to wonder what what is that 156 00:05:22,580 --> 00:05:21,030 it's known about this from the point of 157 00:05:24,050 --> 00:05:22,590 view of low-temperature chemistry and 158 00:05:26,029 --> 00:05:24,060 why haven't we found some of these 159 00:05:27,709 --> 00:05:26,039 things in the interstellar or our cold 160 00:05:29,180 --> 00:05:27,719 environments and we looked in the 161 00:05:32,450 --> 00:05:29,190 literature and we found that one problem 162 00:05:34,369 --> 00:05:32,460 is a lot of the things we'd like to know 163 00:05:36,260 --> 00:05:34,379 about these things just or not have not 164 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:36,270 been studied just things like you know 165 00:05:38,719 --> 00:05:37,289 how do you make these in cold 166 00:05:40,790 --> 00:05:38,729 environments there's a little bit of 167 00:05:43,189 --> 00:05:40,800 work on that fundamental properties with 168 00:05:44,689 --> 00:05:43,199 some of these molecules stability and 169 00:05:46,129 --> 00:05:44,699 radiation environments radiations 170 00:05:47,870 --> 00:05:46,139 essentially everywhere once you get 171 00:05:48,890 --> 00:05:47,880 below a meter or so and Europa you've 172 00:05:50,959 --> 00:05:48,900 still got you know you've got to worry 173 00:05:53,330 --> 00:05:50,969 about radiation once you get unless 174 00:05:55,219 --> 00:05:53,340 you're up meters below reaction 175 00:05:56,719 --> 00:05:55,229 chemistry you know lots of liquid phase 176 00:05:58,550 --> 00:05:56,729 chemistry gas phase chemistry 177 00:06:01,070 --> 00:05:58,560 biochemists but solid phase chemistry 178 00:06:03,290 --> 00:06:01,080 lots of cold environments in space this 179 00:06:04,939 --> 00:06:03,300 sort of work just hasn't been done so 180 00:06:06,110 --> 00:06:04,949 I'm going to blast through a few simple 181 00:06:07,879 --> 00:06:06,120 things here and then I'm going to stop 182 00:06:11,059 --> 00:06:07,889 and we'll go to the next speaker so here 183 00:06:12,769 --> 00:06:11,069 a few a few things synthesis okay 184 00:06:14,149 --> 00:06:12,779 sometimes we get the idea that these 185 00:06:16,219 --> 00:06:14,159 meetings at chemistry started or 186 00:06:18,529 --> 00:06:16,229 astrobiology started in the year 2000 it 187 00:06:20,570 --> 00:06:18,539 did not you know this first reaction up 188 00:06:22,670 --> 00:06:20,580 here is a century old this is called 189 00:06:23,570 --> 00:06:22,680 what's this called anybody knows shout 190 00:06:28,550 --> 00:06:23,580 it out if you know what the kind of 191 00:06:30,170 --> 00:06:28,560 reaction this is well epoxidation this 192 00:06:31,610 --> 00:06:30,180 epoxidation reaction it goes back at 193 00:06:33,409 --> 00:06:31,620 least a hundred years I don't know that 194 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:33,419 the Ukrainian Journal of chemistry I 195 00:06:37,969 --> 00:06:35,370 think it was a reported the first first 196 00:06:39,469 --> 00:06:37,979 instance of epoxidation long ago so this 197 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:39,479 is not unusual but but there had been 198 00:06:43,990 --> 00:06:41,849 people like Patrice Cole up here and 199 00:06:47,450 --> 00:06:44,000 from my colleague French colleague here 200 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:47,460 Julie's a pro tree skull has studied 201 00:06:50,590 --> 00:06:47,810 this 202 00:06:52,750 --> 00:06:50,600 the simulated Titan atmosphere and found 203 00:06:54,460 --> 00:06:52,760 that just a little bit of oxygen then 204 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:54,470 you can have hydrocarbons capturing the 205 00:06:57,670 --> 00:06:56,210 oxygen in Titan's atmosphere and 206 00:06:59,950 --> 00:06:57,680 starting to make a rings like this as 207 00:07:02,379 --> 00:06:59,960 ethylene oxide and the same type of 208 00:07:03,730 --> 00:07:02,389 reaction here this is a siege to carbon 209 00:07:05,650 --> 00:07:03,740 chemistry methylene you can make these 210 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:05,660 same sort of triangles here this is not 211 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:07,970 new this is a really old stuff and so 212 00:07:11,470 --> 00:07:09,530 for that reason we've not devoted much 213 00:07:13,180 --> 00:07:11,480 time to it you know it's all in the 214 00:07:15,430 --> 00:07:13,190 literature see me I'll give you the 215 00:07:17,550 --> 00:07:15,440 references it's easy to find if you have 216 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:17,560 hydrocarbon deposits on Pluto and you do 217 00:07:20,650 --> 00:07:19,490 hydrocarbon deposits on Pluto you're 218 00:07:22,570 --> 00:07:20,660 going to get this sort of chemistry over 219 00:07:24,900 --> 00:07:22,580 here just it's just you can't stop it 220 00:07:27,610 --> 00:07:24,910 that's one of those things so we went on 221 00:07:29,170 --> 00:07:27,620 looking at other types of molecules with 222 00:07:31,450 --> 00:07:29,180 this ring structure here here are five 223 00:07:33,879 --> 00:07:31,460 that have the cyclopropyl ring structure 224 00:07:36,159 --> 00:07:33,889 and two two ethers over here these two 225 00:07:37,780 --> 00:07:36,169 are known as interstellar we recorded 226 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:37,790 infrared spectra these things most of 227 00:07:41,350 --> 00:07:39,290 these things never been recorded there's 228 00:07:42,820 --> 00:07:41,360 some very nice isomerization processes 229 00:07:45,129 --> 00:07:42,830 that you can see up your conformational 230 00:07:48,010 --> 00:07:45,139 changes that you can study I'm not going 231 00:07:50,050 --> 00:07:48,020 to talk about that but instead just just 232 00:07:51,969 --> 00:07:50,060 saying something as simple it's what's 233 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:51,979 the index refraction of cyclopropanes 234 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:53,810 solid I don't know why anybody would 235 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:56,090 ever want to know that but we did you 236 00:07:59,890 --> 00:07:57,410 know we want to know what's the what's 237 00:08:01,450 --> 00:07:59,900 the density of solid cyclopropane and so 238 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:01,460 you go out and try to measure these 239 00:08:05,469 --> 00:08:03,530 things the literature and you just out 240 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:05,479 of luck so if you study this sort of 241 00:08:09,580 --> 00:08:07,610 stuff what do you do what you do is you 242 00:08:11,590 --> 00:08:09,590 look up what the liquids are like use 243 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:11,600 liquid phase data instead of solid phase 244 00:08:15,460 --> 00:08:13,970 data so liquids are here on the left on 245 00:08:17,469 --> 00:08:15,470 the star in the vertical and the 246 00:08:19,180 --> 00:08:17,479 horizontal is Isis and if you can see a 247 00:08:20,860 --> 00:08:19,190 correlation there please see me because 248 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:20,870 we probably have a job for you later I 249 00:08:24,490 --> 00:08:23,450 cannot see a correlation any of that it 250 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:24,500 looks like you know one of these things 251 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:25,610 where my children would take a 252 00:08:28,510 --> 00:08:27,050 paintbrush and throw it up against the 253 00:08:30,190 --> 00:08:28,520 easel you know splatter or something 254 00:08:31,779 --> 00:08:30,200 like that and so you wonder about the 255 00:08:33,190 --> 00:08:31,789 validity of your measurements that this 256 00:08:34,659 --> 00:08:33,200 is what you're getting do it do we waste 257 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:34,669 our time for a month trying to do all 258 00:08:38,290 --> 00:08:36,530 this sort of stuff but there is a way 259 00:08:40,870 --> 00:08:38,300 believe it or not that you can combine 260 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:40,880 these two things here and start to check 261 00:08:44,650 --> 00:08:43,250 to see if you've done your job well see 262 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:44,660 if you've made you me and you have to be 263 00:08:49,269 --> 00:08:46,850 over 55 I think to understand this it's 264 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:49,279 a property called molar refraction which 265 00:08:52,540 --> 00:08:50,810 has hardly ever taught any more molar 266 00:08:54,610 --> 00:08:52,550 refraction it's a way that you can 267 00:08:56,650 --> 00:08:54,620 combine these two things together which 268 00:08:58,270 --> 00:08:56,660 looks like nonsense and come up with 269 00:08:59,710 --> 00:08:58,280 something that seems to make sense and 270 00:09:01,210 --> 00:08:59,720 so here it is even if you've never heard 271 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:01,220 the words molar refraction but 272 00:09:04,540 --> 00:09:02,810 or I hope you'll be impressed by that 273 00:09:06,670 --> 00:09:04,550 straight line the straight line 274 00:09:08,019 --> 00:09:06,680 everybody likes and this is just 275 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:08,029 something's not taught very often 276 00:09:11,199 --> 00:09:09,529 anymore the motor except maybe the 277 00:09:12,879 --> 00:09:11,209 engineers and some material scientists 278 00:09:13,900 --> 00:09:12,889 so we're very happy when we got this 279 00:09:15,610 --> 00:09:13,910 this told us what we were measuring 280 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:15,620 these things properly molar a fraction 281 00:09:19,389 --> 00:09:17,569 of a solid versus liquid and we get a 282 00:09:20,860 --> 00:09:19,399 nice pretty straight line that's one 283 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:20,870 example of what we call a fundamental 284 00:09:25,509 --> 00:09:21,410 property 285 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:25,519 related to astrobiology instability and 286 00:09:29,019 --> 00:09:27,410 radiation environments we measure how 287 00:09:30,699 --> 00:09:29,029 fast these things these molecules are 288 00:09:31,990 --> 00:09:30,709 destroyed if you expose these to 289 00:09:34,509 --> 00:09:32,000 ionizing radiation at a low temperature 290 00:09:36,790 --> 00:09:34,519 and I've just picked six molecules up 291 00:09:38,139 --> 00:09:36,800 here the stars with cyclopropane you 292 00:09:39,910 --> 00:09:38,149 know the mother of all these things the 293 00:09:41,710 --> 00:09:39,920 parent the archetype and then 294 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:41,720 cyclopropanes here if we let ethylene 295 00:09:45,550 --> 00:09:43,610 oxide just give it a number one to 296 00:09:47,619 --> 00:09:45,560 normalize everything and what this means 297 00:09:50,139 --> 00:09:47,629 is it takes 32 times as much radiation 298 00:09:52,569 --> 00:09:50,149 to destroy half your benzene sample as 299 00:09:53,980 --> 00:09:52,579 it does the ethylene oxide and so the 300 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:53,990 important part here is the cyclopropane 301 00:09:58,420 --> 00:09:56,689 is not you know on the extremes it's in 302 00:09:59,860 --> 00:09:58,430 the middle here somewhere all these 303 00:10:01,379 --> 00:09:59,870 other things have been found in various 304 00:10:03,879 --> 00:10:01,389 places in extraterrestrial environments 305 00:10:06,639 --> 00:10:03,889 ethylene oxide propylene oxide first 306 00:10:08,170 --> 00:10:06,649 chiral molecule found in in space of 307 00:10:10,449 --> 00:10:08,180 years ago in space from both radio 308 00:10:12,429 --> 00:10:10,459 telescopes so cyclopropanes sort of in 309 00:10:14,769 --> 00:10:12,439 the middle and if you want their actual 310 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:14,779 data you know don't go and hack JPL or 311 00:10:17,769 --> 00:10:16,370 god or anything like that just asked me 312 00:10:18,850 --> 00:10:17,779 will give it to you you know what we 313 00:10:20,139 --> 00:10:18,860 don't we don't have any secrets here 314 00:10:21,970 --> 00:10:20,149 anything like they just ask us and we'll 315 00:10:24,340 --> 00:10:21,980 give you the data we can tell you sort 316 00:10:25,689 --> 00:10:24,350 of a rough idea you know how long one of 317 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:25,699 these molecules these three membered 318 00:10:30,429 --> 00:10:28,730 rings hang around and europa not long 319 00:10:32,769 --> 00:10:30,439 you know we're talking about years here 320 00:10:35,049 --> 00:10:32,779 you know nasa wisely does not let me 321 00:10:37,569 --> 00:10:35,059 speak officially but unofficially as a 322 00:10:39,699 --> 00:10:37,579 scientist i would say that you need to 323 00:10:41,079 --> 00:10:39,709 dig down a metre so before you really 324 00:10:42,730 --> 00:10:41,089 get to the good stuff on a place like 325 00:10:44,889 --> 00:10:42,740 Europa the radiation is going to tear 326 00:10:46,749 --> 00:10:44,899 you up on the surface the interstellar 327 00:10:48,999 --> 00:10:46,759 medium these things last a long long 328 00:10:50,350 --> 00:10:49,009 time millions of years but it's going to 329 00:10:52,929 --> 00:10:50,360 be a long time before we get to the 330 00:10:54,970 --> 00:10:52,939 interstellar medium flying space travel 331 00:10:56,350 --> 00:10:54,980 here's the trick the radio astronomers 332 00:10:58,389 --> 00:10:56,360 use when they want to find something 333 00:11:00,850 --> 00:10:58,399 that has no dipole moment nice beautiful 334 00:11:02,470 --> 00:11:00,860 symmetrical molecules like benzene what 335 00:11:04,179 --> 00:11:02,480 they do is to stick a CN group on this 336 00:11:05,949 --> 00:11:04,189 thing this gives it a whopping dipole 337 00:11:07,990 --> 00:11:05,959 moment it's like a flag you know waving 338 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:08,000 the flag Here I am and so what we've 339 00:11:11,199 --> 00:11:09,410 proposed is the same sort of thing if 340 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:11,209 you want to find cyclopropane no dipole 341 00:11:14,410 --> 00:11:13,370 moment what you do instead is you look 342 00:11:16,509 --> 00:11:14,420 for something in a 343 00:11:18,940 --> 00:11:16,519 Evon evolved it a cyano group here and 344 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:18,950 so naturally we have to to see what sort 345 00:11:22,690 --> 00:11:20,930 of reactions that thing will undergo and 346 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:22,700 so here's one radiation this has been 347 00:11:27,220 --> 00:11:24,649 known since I guess the 1930s this thing 348 00:11:28,990 --> 00:11:27,230 of summarizes this is some work I did 349 00:11:30,610 --> 00:11:29,000 with Marlon more some years ago but this 350 00:11:32,350 --> 00:11:30,620 one does the same thing we've measured 351 00:11:33,970 --> 00:11:32,360 this reaction we looked at this hope to 352 00:11:37,090 --> 00:11:33,980 publish this in the next next few months 353 00:11:38,889 --> 00:11:37,100 and so you get a nice isomerization this 354 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:38,899 is a place I will invite collaboration 355 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:42,410 because this smells awful it is like 356 00:11:47,710 --> 00:11:44,570 what's the words fat you know there's 357 00:11:49,629 --> 00:11:47,720 old literature papers foul evil you know 358 00:11:51,069 --> 00:11:49,639 all those words like that it smells 359 00:11:53,379 --> 00:11:51,079 terrible but you really do get this sort 360 00:11:55,660 --> 00:11:53,389 of our summarization maybe that's not 361 00:11:57,790 --> 00:11:55,670 important what's important is that it 362 00:11:59,199 --> 00:11:57,800 doesn't just fall apart you know that 363 00:12:00,819 --> 00:11:59,209 you do get these rings with a certain 364 00:12:03,100 --> 00:12:00,829 stability the same story of stability 365 00:12:05,319 --> 00:12:03,110 that you find with molecules are already 366 00:12:08,980 --> 00:12:05,329 known to be interstellar Julie how we 367 00:12:11,350 --> 00:12:08,990 doing for time we've got done okay so 368 00:12:12,910 --> 00:12:11,360 let's just wrap it up real quickly what 369 00:12:14,740 --> 00:12:12,920 have we done you know we took a simple 370 00:12:16,780 --> 00:12:14,750 molecule here simple moment cyclopropane 371 00:12:18,970 --> 00:12:16,790 and some of its derivatives and we 372 00:12:20,860 --> 00:12:18,980 mentioned some physical properties we've 373 00:12:22,300 --> 00:12:20,870 got IR spectra at low temperatures you 374 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:22,310 know we can actually study these things 375 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:23,810 in laboratory we can quantify the 376 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:26,089 samples now six months ago couldn't do 377 00:12:30,250 --> 00:12:28,610 that we measured stabilities looking at 378 00:12:32,319 --> 00:12:30,260 reaction chemistry and we've got a 379 00:12:33,819 --> 00:12:32,329 search strategy for you so what I've 380 00:12:36,639 --> 00:12:33,829 been saying for about six months now is 381 00:12:37,990 --> 00:12:36,649 seek and you shall find some rings so 382 00:12:39,910 --> 00:12:38,000 thank you there's nothing here that 383 00:12:41,319 --> 00:12:39,920 sacred take all the pictures you want